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There are news reports of cars going out of control due to a sticking throttle.
Couldn't a clomp on the brakes bring it to a stop, even with the throttle open--or is this a Myth.
A job for Buster maybe?
Some calculations on the situation:
POWER REQUIRED
FOR
AUTOMOBILE
ACCELERATION AND BRAKING

ACCELERATION
Given: 4000 pound vehicle
Uniform acceleration 0 to 60 MPH (88 ft/sec) in 9 seconds
Acceleration = 88 ft/sec/9 sec = 9.8 ft/sec/sec
Gravity = 32 ft/sec/sec= 1 g
So acceleration of car= 9.8/32= 0.3 g

Force= mass x acceleration

Pounds= slugs x ft/sec/sec

4000 pounds/ 32 ft/sec/sec = 125 slugs

Force to accelerate car:
Pounds = 125 slugs x 9.8 ft/sec/sec = 1225 pounds

Work= change in kinetic energy
W = ½ x mass x velocity^2
W= ½ x 125 slugs x 88 ft/sec^2 = 484,000 ft-pounds

Since this work was done in 9 seconds,

Power = 484000/ 9 = 53,778 ft-lb/sec
Since 550 ft-lb/sec = 1 horsepower
Power = 53778/550 = 97.8 HP

BRAKING
Given: 4000 pound vehicle braked from 60 MPH (88 ft/sec) to 0 in 140 ft.

Work done in stopping vehicle=
W = ½ x 125 slugs x 88 ft/sec^2 = 484,000 ft-lb (same as for acceleration)



Average velocity = 44 ft/sec
Distance = average velocity x time
140 = 44 x time
Time = 140/44 = 3.18 sec

Power = 484000/3.18 = 152,200 ft-lb/sec

Power = 152000/550 ft-lb/sec/HP = 277 HP

Power from brakes is much more than from engine

BRAKING WITH THROTTLE OPEN


Net HP for braking = 277 – 98 = 179 HP

Then 179 HP x 550 ft-lb/sec/HP = 98,450 ft-lb/sec

So to provide the required stop from 60 MPH (88 ft /sec)
484,000 / time = 98450 ft-lb/sec
Time = 4.9 sec
So at average velocity while braking of 44 ft/sec

Vehicle would travel 44 ft/sec x 4.9 sec = 216 ft while stopping with full throttle---- quite long but still stopped.
Looks like a challenge for Mythbusters.
 
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Only one problem with your calculations:

Cars don't go out of control because of a sticking throttle, it's because people are stupid, and don't think about steady breaking or in worst case, cutting power to the engine!
 
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remember also, with the pious (not a typo) the brakes are failing, too.

not that thats a bad thing.


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quote:
Originally posted by fifth horseman:
remember also, with the pious (not a typo) the brakes are failing, too.

not that thats a bad thing.


Under certain situations, the effects of the brakes would be delayed as it switched from the energy recovery system to normal braking, which takes less than a second.
Which is enough time for people to think about “no win no fee” lawyers and how much money they can make!
 
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i just meant that less hybrid car drivers (and less hybrid cars) is good for everyone.


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quote:
Originally posted by fifth horseman:
i just meant that less hybrid car drivers (and less hybrid cars) is good for everyone.

Smiler Big Grin
 
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Do these cars not have ingition keys? On most cars, removal of the key stops the car. Even just turning it back a bit does the job. Knocking it out of gear helps as well. Then again, if anybody gets a car that can't be switched off and relies totally on software to keep them alive and doesn't have any way of de-powering itself, this is a good example of Darwinism in action.


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