I'll keep it short.
What is Sea Shepherd worth to Discovery Channel?
How much has Whale Wars made for the network?
And, what are/were the real ratings everyone is carrying on about? The #1 rated show in the discovery channles ry? What does that mean exactly on the grand scheme of things? Does #1 at Discovery mean its good?

Can we get some numbers on the questions?

I saw somewhere Paul said the show was worth 20million? Is this close?

Ive been pondering it all day.

Answers appreciated.
Thanks
Kathy.

That's a good question. Several months back, I posted "It Makes Good Television" and stated "it's all about the money". They are actually hurting there cause, with the methods they use. But it's entertaining. They're entertainers not enviomentalists!

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Originally posted by Kathy21:
I'll keep it short.
What is Sea Shepherd worth to Discovery Channel?
How much has Whale Wars made for the network?
And, what are/were the real ratings everyone is carrying on about? The #1 rated show in the discovery channles ry? What does that mean exactly on the grand scheme of things? Does #1 at Discovery mean its good?

Can we get some numbers on the questions?

I saw somewhere Paul said the show was worth 20 million? Is this close?

Ive been pondering it all day.

Answers appreciated.
Thanks
Kathy.

Hi Kathy,

I think the only way to find out what the show is worth is to ask Discovery.

Paul Watson uses the show to document the Japanese whalers' illegal poaching activities which in turn brings in the donations to keep up the pressure on the whalers by direct intervention.

I found a site that has given the SSCS its highest rating of four stars for fiscal responsibility. It also shows what the organization brings in:

http://www.charitynavigator.or...h.summary&orgid=5784

Hope this clears things up a bit.

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Originally posted by damien0007:
That's a good question. Several months back, I posted "It Makes Good Television" and stated "it's all about the money". They are actually hurting there cause, with the methods they use. But it's entertaining. They're entertainers not enviromentalists!

They're neither. Nor are they protesters. They are interventionists. The fact that it is good television is due more to the efforts and editing by Animal Planet. It increases the donations which actually helps their cause.

Yes I agree Animal Planet makes it good TV, but irregardless, "it's good TV" because it's entertaining, that's what makes it popular, doesn't matter who makes the efforte and/or does the editing. No nbrownfzi "donations" ($), does not necessarily help their cause. Never measure success by the size of you wallet (Wall Street, Gordon Gecko) In other words, it's people like us (and others) that can see through their "cause" and realize the truths behind their "SHOW".

"A lie never travels anywhere" - Damien Lee 2009

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Originally posted by damien0007:
Yes I agree Animal Planet makes it good TV, but irregardless, "it's good TV" because it's entertaining, that's what makes it popular, doesn't matter who makes the effort and/or does the editing.

SSCS has no hand in any of the editing. That is the sole purview of Animal Planet.

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No nbrownfzi "donations" ($), does not necessarily help their cause.

Donations do help their cause. Donations pay for food and foul weather gear for the crew. Donations pay for fuel for the ships and helicopter. Donations pay for prop foulers. Donations pay for rancid butter bombs. Donations helped pay for the newest ship, Earthrace. Donations pay for the upkeep of all the ships, aircraft, and inflatables. All things which are needed to intervene in the criminal activities of the poachers.

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Never measure success by the size of you wallet (Wall Street, Gordon Gecko)

Gordon Gecko is a fictional person in a fictional movie about a fictional situation. Whale Wars is a factual show about real people intervening in real criminal activity.

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In other words, it's people like us (and others) that can see through their "cause" and realize the truths behind their "SHOW".

Again, it's Animal Planet's show. Not SSCS.

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"A lie never travels anywhere" - Damien Lee 2009

Gee, where did you steal that from? (See below)

As previously mentioned, it does not matter who edits or whose "show" it is. Fact is, it's entertainig, this is what draws people to the program, both "Pro" and "Con" to the SSCS methods.

Mega amonuts of money does not mean success, whether it further's their cause or not. No matter how "further" their cause goes, still does not justify their methods. This I believe turns many people away from their point of view. In other words, people see through this "worthy" cause as simple entertainment period.

The Gordon Gecko metaphor, was an attempt to illustrate, no matter how much money you have, if you methods (break up companies to sell out at a profit) are not "sound", then your victory cannot be celebrated.

Read though the "fiction" and see the point!

Sadam Huesain (sp?) was very wealthy, but his methods were (killing his own people) were not "just" therefore, failure!

Criminal activity can never be solved by criminal activity. Two wrongs,don't make a right! The methods used, simply does not support their cause, and many like me seem to be rooting for one criminal over another!

Brother, we seem to be "spinning our wheels" over simple mi-nute details ie.. whose show it is, who edits it, whereas, I think we agree on the big picture!

"A lie never travels anywhere" Damien Lee 2008 (was another attempt at humor, to your ending header, "don't sweat the petty stuff, just pet the sweaty stuff", lighten up nbrownfzi!, it's entertainment get it?)

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Originally posted by damien0007:
As previously mentioned, it does not matter who edits or whose "show" it is. Fact is, it's entertainig, this is what draws people to the program, both "Pro" and "Con" to the SSCS methods.

Agreed. It's what drew my interest.

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Mega amonuts of money does not mean success, whether it further's their cause or not. No matter how "further" their cause goes, still does not justify their methods.

This is where you and I disagree.

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This I believe turns many people away from their point of view.

Not their point of view (saving whales) only their methods. Others on this board agree on saving whales but disapprove of the SSCS methods. I have no problem with that. I approve of their point of view as well as their methods. They have newer inflatibles as well as the Earthrace (renamed Ady Gil) so they can put themselves between the harpoons and the whales.

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In other words, people see through this "worthy" cause as simple entertainment period.

I find the show to be both informative as well as entertaining. The entertainment part is strictly due to Animal Planet's editing. SSCS has no part in that.

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The Gordon Gecko metaphor, was an attempt to illustrate, no matter how much money you have, if you methods (break up companies to sell out at a profit) are not "sound", then your victory cannot be celebrated.

Read though the "fiction" and see the point!

I never really was able to watch the whole movie. Does the SSCS want more donations? You bet! It helps them pay for their campaigns. Food, fuel, clothing, newer inflatibles, upkeep, et cetera costs money.

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Criminal activity can never be solved by criminal activity. Two wrongs,don't make a right!

Using violence to stop a violent crime is not criminal activity.

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The methods used, simply does not support their cause, and many like me seem to be rooting for one criminal over another!

SSCS is the sole arbiter of what methods are used in their cause of obstructing whaling. If a method works, they're going to use it. There is nothing anybody can say to them. It's their call alone. With the Earthrace and new inflatibles they should be able to interfere more effectively and less violently. I don't think the whalers are going to harpoon an inflatible or the Ady Gil.

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Brother, we seem to be "spinning our wheels" over simple mi-nute details ie.. whose show it is, who edits it, whereas, I think we agree on the big picture!

Whose show is it? Animal Planet's. Who edits the footage? Animal Planet. What does SSCS get out of it? Exposure to a wider group of people and increased donations.

You and many others have a problem with the methods. That's fine. I and many others don't. We do agree that whaling has to stop. I think we can agree to disagree agreeably on the methods.

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"A lie never travels anywhere" Damien Lee 2008 (was another attempt at humor, to your ending header, "don't sweat the petty stuff, just pet the sweaty stuff", lighten up nbrownfzi!, it's entertainment get it?)

LOL! I heard the other one as: "Don't sweat the petty stuff and don't pet the sweaty stuff..."

Have a good one!

Actually the way I heard it was "Don't sweat the petty things, just pet the sweaty things" LOL!

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Originally posted by Ophidian:
Actually the way I heard it was "Don't sweat the petty things, just pet the sweaty things" LOL!

dude its all about the money! they dont know that DESTROYING for others jobs hurts anyone! they are happy if they are paid! and im not talking about the whalers! im talking about the hippies!

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Originally posted by lol123123:
dude its all about the money! they dont know that DESTROYING for others jobs hurts anyone! they are happy if they are paid! and im not talking about the whalers! im talking about the hippies!

The "hippies" don't get any money. They are all volunteers. They only get a place to sleep and three meals a day.

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Originally posted by nbrownfzi:

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Originally posted by lol123123:
dude its all about the money! they dont know that DESTROYING for others jobs hurts anyone! they are happy if they are paid! and im not talking about the whalers! im talking about the hippies!

The "hippies" don't get any money. They are all volunteers. They only get a place to sleep and three meals a day.

Fact: There are some unpaid volunteers that are on the SSCS ships

Fact: There are some paid volunteers that are on the SSCS ships.

So, in short, you are wrong. Or perhaps you are only half wrong and/or half right. But one thing is for sure...your statement that the "hippies" dont get any money was, in fact, wrong as a whole.

Just the facts.

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Originally posted by Chuck-Steak_USA:

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Originally posted by nbrownfzi:

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Originally posted by lol123123:
dude its all about the money! they dont know that DESTROYING for others jobs hurts anyone! they are happy if they are paid! and im not talking about the whalers! im talking about the hippies!

The "hippies" don't get any money. They are all volunteers. They only get a place to sleep and three meals a day.

Fact: There are some unpaid volunteers that are on the SSCS ships

Fact: There are some paid volunteers that are on the SSCS ships.

So, in short, you are wrong. Or perhaps you are only half wrong and/or half right. But one thing is for sure...your statement that the "hippies" dont get any money was, in fact, wrong as a whole.

Just the facts.

Wrong.

The "Paid volunteers" are actually full time crew hired by SSCS. The "unpaid volunteers" are just that: unpaid volunteers.

Short or long, YOU are wrong. As a whole.

Just the facts.

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Originally posted by Chuck-Steak_USA:

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Originally posted by nbrownfzi:

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Originally posted by lol123123:
dude its all about the money! they dont know that DESTROYING for others jobs hurts anyone! they are happy if they are paid! and im not talking about the whalers! im talking about the hippies!

The "hippies" don't get any money. They are all volunteers. They only get a place to sleep and three meals a day.

Fact: There are some unpaid volunteers that are on the SSCS ships

Fact: There are some paid volunteers that are on the SSCS ships.

So, in short, you are wrong. Or perhaps you are only half wrong and/or half right. But one thing is for sure...your statement that the "hippies" dont get any money was, in fact, wrong as a whole.

Just the facts.

Hmmm... Volunteers are, by definition, not paid.

If you are paid, you are not a volunteer. From what I've read, he has a few paid crew to keep the ship running.